1 00:00:21,710 --> 00:00:09,080 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:28,019 --> 00:00:24,150 yes it's the skeptics own podcast 3 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:28,029 episode number 407 for the 7th of August 4 00:00:34,290 --> 00:00:31,210 2016 Richard Saunders here with you from 5 00:00:36,570 --> 00:00:34,300 Sydney Australia which is still nice and 6 00:00:37,979 --> 00:00:36,580 wintry coming up on this week's show 7 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:37,989 we're going to be chatting to an old 8 00:00:42,660 --> 00:00:39,610 friend of mine an old friend of the 9 00:00:45,930 --> 00:00:42,670 skeptics own doctor Paul Willis well 10 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:45,940 known to listeners in Australia dr. Paul 11 00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:49,930 Willis was a former ABC science reporter 12 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:53,110 ABC TV on their TV show catalyst for 13 00:00:58,740 --> 00:00:55,930 many years and then he went and joined 14 00:01:01,049 --> 00:00:58,750 the Royal Institution of Australia and 15 00:01:02,939 --> 00:01:01,059 as skeptics and listeners will remember 16 00:01:04,950 --> 00:01:02,949 for some years we were playing a 17 00:01:06,870 --> 00:01:04,960 weakened science from the Royal 18 00:01:09,780 --> 00:01:06,880 Institution of Australia that sort of 19 00:01:12,090 --> 00:01:09,790 wound up why well Paul will tell us and 20 00:01:15,270 --> 00:01:12,100 he will tell us all about the exciting 21 00:01:18,030 --> 00:01:15,280 new venture Australia's science channel 22 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:18,040 oh yes a portal an internet portal 23 00:01:22,710 --> 00:01:20,890 devoted to science where I know there 24 00:01:24,900 --> 00:01:22,720 are many of those but this has got an 25 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:24,910 interesting sort of twist to it find out 26 00:01:28,230 --> 00:01:26,170 more coming up at the top of the show 27 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:28,240 when we chat to dr. Paul Willis 28 00:01:33,870 --> 00:01:30,610 following that it's a brief report about 29 00:01:36,750 --> 00:01:33,880 a chiropractor here in Australia who's 30 00:01:40,020 --> 00:01:36,760 been charged with breaching advertising 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:40,030 requirements on about time and I have a 32 00:01:45,660 --> 00:01:42,010 funny feeling that this is only the tip 33 00:01:48,420 --> 00:01:45,670 of the iceberg watch this space I think 34 00:01:51,420 --> 00:01:48,430 we'll be reporting about this sort of 35 00:01:55,469 --> 00:01:51,430 thing coming up more and more following 36 00:01:58,290 --> 00:01:55,479 that we look at the check out the check 37 00:02:01,219 --> 00:01:58,300 out another ABC TV program which is all 38 00:02:04,530 --> 00:02:01,229 about consumer affairs which we enjoy 39 00:02:07,050 --> 00:02:04,540 the recent episode of recent episode 40 00:02:08,669 --> 00:02:07,060 covered something that skeptics have 41 00:02:12,210 --> 00:02:08,679 been talking about for many years that 42 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:12,220 is quackery in pharmacies when you go 43 00:02:16,940 --> 00:02:14,290 into your pharmacy shop you expect to 44 00:02:22,850 --> 00:02:16,950 buy a legitimate science-based medicine 45 00:02:26,069 --> 00:02:22,860 but sadly there are shelves full of pure 46 00:02:28,410 --> 00:02:26,079 quackery the checkout TV program looked 47 00:02:30,059 --> 00:02:28,420 into this I'll run a short clip and also 48 00:02:31,559 --> 00:02:30,069 i'll be reading an open letter that the 49 00:02:35,759 --> 00:02:31,569 australian skeptics wrote 50 00:02:39,030 --> 00:02:35,769 few years back about er a candling ya 51 00:02:42,509 --> 00:02:39,040 ear candling and sadly you can still buy 52 00:02:44,099 --> 00:02:42,519 ear candles in pharmacies then to round 53 00:02:45,899 --> 00:02:44,109 off the show we head back to Sydney 54 00:02:50,309 --> 00:02:45,909 skeptics in the pub and ask the big 55 00:02:53,009 --> 00:02:50,319 question how long should you debate with 56 00:02:54,660 --> 00:02:53,019 a conspiracy theorist before giving up 57 00:02:58,220 --> 00:02:54,670 and that question was sent to us by 58 00:03:01,949 --> 00:02:58,230 listener Tom Kelly thank you Tom and he 59 00:03:04,110 --> 00:03:01,959 sent that in via a skeptic zone facebook 60 00:03:06,539 --> 00:03:04,120 page and you're welcome to go to the 61 00:03:09,059 --> 00:03:06,549 skeptic zone facebook page the links are 62 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:09,069 at skeptic zone TV if you want to add 63 00:03:14,789 --> 00:03:10,510 your comments to any particular episode 64 00:03:18,689 --> 00:03:14,799 and speaking of skeptic zone TV if you 65 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:18,699 go there now you will see a link to i 66 00:03:24,899 --> 00:03:21,250 heart radio yes the skeptic zone is now 67 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:24,909 on the iheart radio network as well as 68 00:03:30,949 --> 00:03:28,810 iTunes and stitcher and YouTube those 69 00:03:33,539 --> 00:03:30,959 people living in Sydney look out on 70 00:03:35,339 --> 00:03:33,549 saturday the thirteenth of this month 71 00:03:38,119 --> 00:03:35,349 just over a week away or just under a 72 00:03:41,339 --> 00:03:38,129 week away at the Australian Museum 73 00:03:44,039 --> 00:03:41,349 super-science Saturday if you check out 74 00:03:46,409 --> 00:03:44,049 Australian Museum net got a you or 75 00:03:49,949 --> 00:03:46,419 Google super-science Saturday it's a 76 00:03:52,619 --> 00:03:49,959 great fun day full of science and I will 77 00:03:54,869 --> 00:03:52,629 be performing there whether Maynard will 78 00:03:56,670 --> 00:03:54,879 be doing the mystery investigators show 79 00:04:00,210 --> 00:03:56,680 I think we've got a couple of shows 80 00:04:01,890 --> 00:04:00,220 lined up during the course of the day so 81 00:04:03,149 --> 00:04:01,900 if you want to come by bring the kids 82 00:04:05,429 --> 00:04:03,159 and check out the mystery investigators 83 00:04:06,929 --> 00:04:05,439 will be bending spoons we have a bed of 84 00:04:09,390 --> 00:04:06,939 nails will be doing all that sort of fun 85 00:04:12,059 --> 00:04:09,400 thing water divining explaining science 86 00:04:14,189 --> 00:04:12,069 I'll certainly add a link to the show 87 00:04:15,869 --> 00:04:14,199 notes this week and before we get stuck 88 00:04:18,930 --> 00:04:15,879 into the show a note from our friends at 89 00:04:21,810 --> 00:04:18,940 the canberra skeptics I think the best 90 00:04:25,290 --> 00:04:21,820 way to visit them would be via meetup 91 00:04:28,890 --> 00:04:25,300 com social skeptics Canberra is the name 92 00:04:30,659 --> 00:04:28,900 of the group anyway on the ninth of all 93 00:04:34,770 --> 00:04:30,669 wrist coming up pretty soon actually 94 00:04:36,779 --> 00:04:34,780 this is a coming tuesday at six pm at 95 00:04:38,969 --> 00:04:36,789 King o'malley's irish pub all that's a 96 00:04:44,420 --> 00:04:38,979 nice pub I've been there many times it's 97 00:04:47,270 --> 00:04:44,430 a mini sort of skeptic camp the speaker 98 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:47,280 you if you turn up this month that says 99 00:04:51,290 --> 00:04:49,650 on the meetup page we're doing something 100 00:04:53,810 --> 00:04:51,300 a little different to celebrate science 101 00:04:55,340 --> 00:04:53,820 week a skeptic camp for those who 102 00:04:57,890 --> 00:04:55,350 haven't attended a skeptic out before 103 00:05:00,200 --> 00:04:57,900 speakers will sign up on the night will 104 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:00,210 be there from five-thirty p.m. and talks 105 00:05:05,750 --> 00:05:02,970 will start around 6 10pm and each 106 00:05:08,860 --> 00:05:05,760 speaker will have five to 10 minutes on 107 00:05:11,570 --> 00:05:08,870 their topic so there you are folks in 108 00:05:13,070 --> 00:05:11,580 Canberra check it out and I'll add a 109 00:05:15,050 --> 00:05:13,080 link to the show notes well that's 110 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:15,060 enough for me it's time for me to run 111 00:05:22,850 --> 00:05:18,330 downstairs indulge myself a little bit 112 00:05:26,900 --> 00:05:22,860 and have a few are squares of some nice 113 00:05:29,690 --> 00:05:26,910 white chocolate and old favorite who 114 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:29,700 remembers the Milky Bar kid mmm well I 115 00:05:54,900 --> 00:05:31,890 do that I hope you enjoy the skeptic 116 00:06:00,100 --> 00:05:57,879 and joining me now from the Royal 117 00:06:03,460 --> 00:06:00,110 Institution of Australia an old friend 118 00:06:05,650 --> 00:06:03,470 of the skeptics only widely traveled dr. 119 00:06:07,629 --> 00:06:05,660 Paul Willis hello Paul doesn't that 120 00:06:10,150 --> 00:06:07,639 sound posh the Royal Institution of 121 00:06:12,100 --> 00:06:10,160 Australia yeah I always thought it did 122 00:06:13,689 --> 00:06:12,110 but that's what it's called right yeah 123 00:06:16,150 --> 00:06:13,699 well that's exactly what it's called in 124 00:06:18,999 --> 00:06:16,160 fact I now figure that because of my 125 00:06:23,379 --> 00:06:19,009 position I'm entitled to an adjunct 126 00:06:26,260 --> 00:06:23,389 Nobel laureate my reasoning is that my 127 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:26,270 predecessors in this role in the Royal 128 00:06:30,820 --> 00:06:28,610 Institution in Great Britain they've 129 00:06:32,589 --> 00:06:30,830 most of them have being Nobel laureate 130 00:06:35,170 --> 00:06:32,599 so I figure I deserve one as well I 131 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:35,180 think's then well let's face it you know 132 00:06:39,010 --> 00:06:37,370 just one of the low-hanging fruit one of 133 00:06:42,339 --> 00:06:39,020 the easy ones you go world peace all 134 00:06:44,110 --> 00:06:42,349 this nothing too taxing will have it 135 00:06:45,550 --> 00:06:44,120 will have a word will have a word to the 136 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:45,560 committee and see what we can we can 137 00:06:49,540 --> 00:06:47,090 work out for you for I think it is I 138 00:06:51,370 --> 00:06:49,550 think you deserve right anyway before 139 00:06:53,649 --> 00:06:51,380 now before we get too far into it of 140 00:06:54,969 --> 00:06:53,659 course skeptic zone listen as long time 141 00:06:56,469 --> 00:06:54,979 skeptics and listeners will be very 142 00:06:59,980 --> 00:06:56,479 familiar with the Royal Institution of 143 00:07:02,439 --> 00:06:59,990 Australia because for some years each 144 00:07:04,300 --> 00:07:02,449 week we were playing a wonderful segment 145 00:07:06,909 --> 00:07:04,310 produced by the Royal Institution of 146 00:07:09,490 --> 00:07:06,919 Australia called a week in science what 147 00:07:11,620 --> 00:07:09,500 happened to that poor I love week and 148 00:07:13,570 --> 00:07:11,630 science was a lot of fun we had it 149 00:07:15,510 --> 00:07:13,580 running for three years i think it was 150 00:07:18,820 --> 00:07:15,520 and you know went through various 151 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:18,830 evolutions along the way but now we've 152 00:07:24,700 --> 00:07:22,250 turned our attention to a new kind of 153 00:07:27,430 --> 00:07:24,710 vodcast a new production it's called 154 00:07:30,939 --> 00:07:27,440 brouhaha and basically their little one 155 00:07:32,980 --> 00:07:30,949 minute podcasts which some up whatever's 156 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:32,990 on their mind when it comes to the 157 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:34,610 science that's in the zeitgeist out 158 00:07:39,839 --> 00:07:37,370 there so that's one to watch out for on 159 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:39,849 Australia's science channel but brouhaha 160 00:07:43,719 --> 00:07:41,690 brouhaha that sounds pretty interesting 161 00:07:45,430 --> 00:07:43,729 now you've mentioned it we better talk 162 00:07:46,899 --> 00:07:45,440 about it and the reason really one of 163 00:07:49,779 --> 00:07:46,909 the reasons i'm chatting used to you 164 00:07:51,670 --> 00:07:49,789 today is that if i go to the Royal 165 00:07:53,559 --> 00:07:51,680 Institution of Australia's website RI 166 00:07:58,149 --> 00:07:53,569 aus dog today you 167 00:08:02,139 --> 00:07:58,159 it says Australia's science channel 168 00:08:03,999 --> 00:08:02,149 what's that all about look Australia 169 00:08:06,279 --> 00:08:04,009 science channel is the platform that 170 00:08:10,449 --> 00:08:06,289 we've been developing along with host 171 00:08:13,119 --> 00:08:10,459 works which is an online on demand 172 00:08:15,669 --> 00:08:13,129 channel which can handle video it can 173 00:08:17,919 --> 00:08:15,679 handle audio it can handle written work 174 00:08:20,919 --> 00:08:17,929 it can handle mixed media you name it it 175 00:08:24,179 --> 00:08:20,929 can handle it and so basically anything 176 00:08:27,279 --> 00:08:24,189 to do with science of suitable quality 177 00:08:29,439 --> 00:08:27,289 we will put out to the world through 178 00:08:32,409 --> 00:08:29,449 Australia's science channel so we not 179 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:32,419 only create material ourselves to go on 180 00:08:37,540 --> 00:08:34,610 Australia's science channel we also 181 00:08:39,309 --> 00:08:37,550 aggregate from universities museums and 182 00:08:42,279 --> 00:08:39,319 all kinds of sources around the country 183 00:08:44,980 --> 00:08:42,289 anybody who wants to talk about science 184 00:08:47,170 --> 00:08:44,990 this is a great little hub in order to 185 00:08:48,730 --> 00:08:47,180 be able to do that it looks it looks 186 00:08:50,949 --> 00:08:48,740 fascinating and I've just noticed of 187 00:08:54,610 --> 00:08:50,959 course that there's another website 188 00:08:57,730 --> 00:08:54,620 another URL here which is RI a u.s. TV 189 00:09:00,220 --> 00:08:57,740 is that is that different that's the 190 00:09:02,590 --> 00:09:00,230 actual platform itself yeah so there's 191 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:02,600 the the old website which is our oils 192 00:09:09,550 --> 00:09:05,689 okay you which now is kind of a legacy 193 00:09:12,100 --> 00:09:09,560 site and that will refer you over to 194 00:09:13,689 --> 00:09:12,110 Australia's science channel which is you 195 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:13,699 see one of the problems that we've had 196 00:09:20,110 --> 00:09:16,490 with a royal institution of Australia or 197 00:09:22,179 --> 00:09:20,120 we call ourselves our iOS is that it 198 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:22,189 takes a while to explain exactly what it 199 00:09:27,100 --> 00:09:24,889 is that you do whereas if you say 200 00:09:28,929 --> 00:09:27,110 Australia's science channel everybody 201 00:09:32,110 --> 00:09:28,939 knows instantly what it is that you do 202 00:09:33,850 --> 00:09:32,120 you talk about science to the world and 203 00:09:36,670 --> 00:09:33,860 you talk about Australian science to the 204 00:09:39,069 --> 00:09:36,680 world and so that's why we've had that 205 00:09:41,470 --> 00:09:39,079 switch so there's still the parent 206 00:09:44,259 --> 00:09:41,480 company if you like behind it which is 207 00:09:46,929 --> 00:09:44,269 the Royal Institution of Australia but 208 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:46,939 our public platform is Australia's 209 00:09:51,129 --> 00:09:49,490 science channel okay and just flipping 210 00:09:54,519 --> 00:09:51,139 over there right now to that website 211 00:09:56,650 --> 00:09:54,529 it's seems to me at first glance heavily 212 00:09:58,840 --> 00:09:56,660 video orientated we've got something 213 00:10:00,460 --> 00:09:58,850 here from the grandfather paradox but 214 00:10:02,590 --> 00:10:00,470 what I like about it is it gives you a 215 00:10:04,190 --> 00:10:02,600 sort of a big thumbnail selection of 216 00:10:07,430 --> 00:10:04,200 content 217 00:10:08,750 --> 00:10:07,440 and the time so there's things only go 218 00:10:10,340 --> 00:10:08,760 for a couple of minutes things that go 219 00:10:13,490 --> 00:10:10,350 longer there's things that go for nearly 220 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:13,500 an hour is quite a selection yeah look 221 00:10:20,060 --> 00:10:16,290 it it's one of the it's rapidly building 222 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:20,070 up into a case of you know I don't know 223 00:10:24,230 --> 00:10:22,770 about you but I sit at home on a night 224 00:10:25,790 --> 00:10:24,240 when there's nothing free to air on a 225 00:10:28,670 --> 00:10:25,800 telly that I want to watch I'll sit 226 00:10:30,980 --> 00:10:28,680 there with SBS on demand or ABC iview 227 00:10:33,890 --> 00:10:30,990 and just cruise around and watch what I 228 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:33,900 want when I want and that's what the 229 00:10:38,540 --> 00:10:35,970 Australia science channel is therefore 230 00:10:39,890 --> 00:10:38,550 that's the kind of market with for those 231 00:10:42,790 --> 00:10:39,900 people who are specifically interested 232 00:10:45,020 --> 00:10:42,800 in science now a large chunk of this 233 00:10:48,290 --> 00:10:45,030 Australia science channel is given over 234 00:10:51,380 --> 00:10:48,300 to a dedicated area we call the ultimate 235 00:10:55,700 --> 00:10:51,390 science guide which is all about STEM 236 00:10:57,500 --> 00:10:55,710 careers not only is it tied to our print 237 00:11:00,410 --> 00:10:57,510 publication the ultimate science guide 238 00:11:02,270 --> 00:11:00,420 which is an annual compendium of careers 239 00:11:05,420 --> 00:11:02,280 in science technology engineering and 240 00:11:08,450 --> 00:11:05,430 maths but because we've got it on 241 00:11:10,070 --> 00:11:08,460 Australia's science channel we can back 242 00:11:12,710 --> 00:11:10,080 it up with all kinds of interesting 243 00:11:15,470 --> 00:11:12,720 videos there's over 80 videos there that 244 00:11:19,430 --> 00:11:15,480 are young bright researchers in all 245 00:11:22,310 --> 00:11:19,440 kinds of careers saying to the next 246 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:22,320 generation hey six months ago I didn't 247 00:11:26,450 --> 00:11:24,090 know what a nanotechnologist was but now 248 00:11:28,070 --> 00:11:26,460 I am one and this is how much fun I'm 249 00:11:30,980 --> 00:11:28,080 having and this is these are the 250 00:11:33,710 --> 00:11:30,990 possible careers you can have so by 251 00:11:36,020 --> 00:11:33,720 providing this smorgasbord of of career 252 00:11:39,650 --> 00:11:36,030 opportunities hopefully we can stimulate 253 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:39,660 that whole stem discussion that's out 254 00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:41,730 there and in the Australian zeitgeist at 255 00:11:47,150 --> 00:11:43,710 the moment I think that that's a 256 00:11:48,650 --> 00:11:47,160 wonderful endeavor I've just again folks 257 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:48,660 clicking through the website I've just 258 00:11:52,940 --> 00:11:50,370 clicked on the video link which takes 259 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:52,950 you deeper into the site and yes the 260 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:55,170 list of quick short interesting videos 261 00:11:59,240 --> 00:11:57,450 is extensive and it goes on for page 262 00:12:02,450 --> 00:11:59,250 after page after page you also have a 263 00:12:04,340 --> 00:12:02,460 link there to podcasts and to science 264 00:12:07,220 --> 00:12:04,350 articles plus all sorts of other links 265 00:12:08,780 --> 00:12:07,230 what was the genesis of this idea how 266 00:12:11,870 --> 00:12:08,790 long has this been kicking around before 267 00:12:14,300 --> 00:12:11,880 you finally got it going well yeah well 268 00:12:16,790 --> 00:12:14,310 I've been in this job now for just 269 00:12:19,790 --> 00:12:16,800 five years and it wasn't long after I 270 00:12:24,830 --> 00:12:19,800 got here that I said what we need is a 271 00:12:29,180 --> 00:12:24,840 television channel online so that we can 272 00:12:32,269 --> 00:12:29,190 you know make and bring together good 273 00:12:33,950 --> 00:12:32,279 science videos and and initially there 274 00:12:36,170 --> 00:12:33,960 was some skepticism as to whether that 275 00:12:38,810 --> 00:12:36,180 was possible and we were pushing around 276 00:12:42,410 --> 00:12:38,820 here we didn't want just another YouTube 277 00:12:44,300 --> 00:12:42,420 channel because othr to ban ille you 278 00:12:48,590 --> 00:12:44,310 can't curate the content the way that 279 00:12:50,690 --> 00:12:48,600 you want to and so yeah we were kind of 280 00:12:53,180 --> 00:12:50,700 in a quandary as the hardness of 281 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:53,190 television channel before I don't know 282 00:12:58,519 --> 00:12:56,130 how to do it and then we had the fortune 283 00:13:03,019 --> 00:12:58,529 to come across a guy called will 284 00:13:06,530 --> 00:13:03,029 Berryman who was also another ex ABC 285 00:13:09,079 --> 00:13:06,540 science journal but he got out of ABC 286 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:09,089 science prior to me actually getting 287 00:13:16,670 --> 00:13:12,690 into ABC science and he's gone on to 288 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:16,680 quite an illustrious career in digital 289 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:21,330 media and now he heads up this company 290 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:24,450 host works which is all about a building 291 00:13:32,870 --> 00:13:28,130 online platforms such as SBS on demand 292 00:13:36,140 --> 00:13:32,880 ABC ivy I view it they do all the 293 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:36,150 backend heavy lifting for Ticketek and 294 00:13:44,270 --> 00:13:39,810 for jetstar bookings and observe really 295 00:13:46,970 --> 00:13:44,280 deep data management tools in in the 296 00:13:48,860 --> 00:13:46,980 online environment and we'll took a 297 00:13:50,630 --> 00:13:48,870 shine to what it is that we wanted to do 298 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:50,640 and he said hey would you like me to 299 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:52,890 build you a television channel I said 300 00:13:58,570 --> 00:13:55,650 yeah that sounds like a great idea so 301 00:14:01,910 --> 00:13:58,580 we've been working together ever since 302 00:14:04,670 --> 00:14:01,920 to actually make this happen officially 303 00:14:08,510 --> 00:14:04,680 we launched the corporate launch was 304 00:14:12,290 --> 00:14:08,520 actually in late 2014 and we've spent 305 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:12,300 the last 4 18 months or so just really 306 00:14:17,630 --> 00:14:14,970 building up the the platform so that its 307 00:14:19,910 --> 00:14:17,640 robust enough its diverse enough it's 308 00:14:22,070 --> 00:14:19,920 appealing enough that now we can get out 309 00:14:24,650 --> 00:14:22,080 there and start doing the big audience 310 00:14:26,330 --> 00:14:24,660 Salem come and play ladies and gentlemen 311 00:14:28,340 --> 00:14:26,340 this is a resource we've built 312 00:14:31,190 --> 00:14:28,350 specifically for you to come and play in 313 00:14:33,980 --> 00:14:31,200 that science domain well folks the URL 314 00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:33,990 is quite easy to remember our I aus dot 315 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:36,000 TV that's the new one that's the one 316 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:38,850 folks to go to Paul how much original 317 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:41,610 content is there or are you farming 318 00:14:47,660 --> 00:14:45,810 other content well we're sourcing 319 00:14:49,700 --> 00:14:47,670 content from all across the country and 320 00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:49,710 I would like to get more from regional 321 00:14:55,730 --> 00:14:53,040 areas and this is the beauty of our iOS 322 00:14:59,120 --> 00:14:55,740 TV if you've got a science story to tell 323 00:15:02,420 --> 00:14:59,130 and you're in the end of the token wall 324 00:15:04,850 --> 00:15:02,430 or somewhere going to way off the beaten 325 00:15:07,850 --> 00:15:04,860 track yeah you can actually now do it if 326 00:15:10,490 --> 00:15:07,860 you you can sit down and simply write a 327 00:15:13,070 --> 00:15:10,500 blog about what science you're up to in 328 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:13,080 the outback and you can email it to us 329 00:15:16,460 --> 00:15:15,330 and we will shape it up into something 330 00:15:19,340 --> 00:15:16,470 that will go on a straight a size 331 00:15:21,260 --> 00:15:19,350 channel so this is you know this is for 332 00:15:23,060 --> 00:15:21,270 everybody to come and play in that's 333 00:15:25,310 --> 00:15:23,070 that's a great offer folks there's the 334 00:15:27,740 --> 00:15:25,320 offer from dr. Paul Willis now Paul 335 00:15:29,750 --> 00:15:27,750 let's talk about something else for a 336 00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:29,760 moment here as I mentioned at the top of 337 00:15:35,630 --> 00:15:32,160 the the interview and the well-traveled 338 00:15:39,290 --> 00:15:35,640 poor Willis how many times now have you 339 00:15:41,630 --> 00:15:39,300 been to the Antarctic oh look I know it 340 00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:41,640 sounds like I'm bragging to be honest I 341 00:15:49,490 --> 00:15:46,110 can't remember if it's 10 or 11 I'm 342 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:49,500 going there again next year in February 343 00:15:57,830 --> 00:15:53,610 next year and I think that's trip number 344 00:16:00,710 --> 00:15:57,840 11 Wow but the opportunity is there to 345 00:16:03,380 --> 00:16:00,720 go down into some of the most some of 346 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:03,390 the richest fossil beds in the world and 347 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:05,970 to see at the Antarctic Peninsula it's 348 00:16:10,220 --> 00:16:07,650 yeah I'm really looking forward to going 349 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:10,230 back there by the way there are still 350 00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:11,850 some births available on the boat if 351 00:16:17,210 --> 00:16:13,440 anyone was interested in coming along oh 352 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:17,220 yes tell me more tell me more I'll look 353 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:20,250 at I go the antal Antarctica as the 354 00:16:25,100 --> 00:16:22,410 ship's paleontologist on board a ship 355 00:16:28,970 --> 00:16:25,110 called the polar pioneer which is run by 356 00:16:30,860 --> 00:16:28,980 a company called Aurora expeditions and 357 00:16:33,650 --> 00:16:30,870 they are a travel company that 358 00:16:34,050 --> 00:16:33,660 specializes in tools to remote and 359 00:16:36,990 --> 00:16:34,060 difficult 360 00:16:41,090 --> 00:16:37,000 to get out places so they they cruise 361 00:16:44,010 --> 00:16:41,100 the Antarctic every sudden summer and 362 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:44,020 they cruise the Arctic in every northern 363 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:48,010 summer and I go along to help interpret 364 00:16:53,550 --> 00:16:50,890 the geology and the paleontology on some 365 00:16:56,940 --> 00:16:53,560 of their trips so if you are interested 366 00:17:00,720 --> 00:16:56,950 in joining me see some amazing fossils 367 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:00,730 and one of the experiences that should 368 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:03,010 be on everyone's bucket list and that is 369 00:17:08,700 --> 00:17:05,490 to drink a decent quality scotch / 370 00:17:11,070 --> 00:17:08,710 glacial ice Wow if you want to come 371 00:17:13,950 --> 00:17:11,080 along and do that with me get in touch 372 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:13,960 through Aurora expeditions and we'll see 373 00:17:18,870 --> 00:17:17,290 what we can did where I personally of 374 00:17:21,810 --> 00:17:18,880 course i would love to folks who put a 375 00:17:23,700 --> 00:17:21,820 link to that on the website and you did 376 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:23,710 a wonderful thing or some years back 377 00:17:27,300 --> 00:17:25,930 Paul you were on that on the ship I 378 00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:27,310 don't know if it was the same one but 379 00:17:33,870 --> 00:17:30,640 you did the homeopathy challenge from 380 00:17:35,790 --> 00:17:33,880 the anti-fog that was fun because not 381 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:35,800 long before I went off on that 382 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:40,090 particular cruise I got the call coming 383 00:17:44,820 --> 00:17:41,770 room where the calls from at the moment 384 00:17:47,010 --> 00:17:44,830 but I got the call saying you know that 385 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:47,020 they were having this international 386 00:17:51,330 --> 00:17:49,570 homeopathy Challenger and they got 387 00:17:54,060 --> 00:17:51,340 representatives from every continent 388 00:17:55,650 --> 00:17:54,070 except Antarctica and I said I think I 389 00:17:57,570 --> 00:17:55,660 might be able to help you there so I 390 00:18:00,180 --> 00:17:57,580 took a lot of some homeopathic sleep 391 00:18:03,060 --> 00:18:00,190 preparation oh no we're out there on the 392 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:03,070 bow of the ship and I try to overdose on 393 00:18:07,770 --> 00:18:04,930 this but the ship's doctor was was a 394 00:18:10,410 --> 00:18:07,780 great pal he was actually standing by 395 00:18:12,420 --> 00:18:10,420 with the defibrillator just in case 396 00:18:15,180 --> 00:18:12,430 anything went wrong but in the spirit of 397 00:18:17,670 --> 00:18:15,190 being a homeopathic test we didn't plug 398 00:18:20,010 --> 00:18:17,680 the defibrillator in so it would work on 399 00:18:22,740 --> 00:18:20,020 the memory of having one start at 400 00:18:24,420 --> 00:18:22,750 someone's heart that's a great video I'm 401 00:18:27,180 --> 00:18:24,430 glad you did that in folks once again 402 00:18:29,580 --> 00:18:27,190 I'll link to that video in the show 403 00:18:31,890 --> 00:18:29,590 notes so you can view view that what's 404 00:18:34,490 --> 00:18:31,900 this is there internet down there Paul 405 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:34,500 can you do things like live streaming ah 406 00:18:43,230 --> 00:18:38,770 look live streaming is probably a bit 407 00:18:45,030 --> 00:18:43,240 data hungry and we now can handle emails 408 00:18:49,050 --> 00:18:45,040 but not very many 409 00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:49,060 and and no attachments and and so 410 00:18:53,940 --> 00:18:51,760 sending images in and out is is a bit of 411 00:18:55,410 --> 00:18:53,950 a no-no at the moment they are of course 412 00:18:57,510 --> 00:18:55,420 looking at how they can upgrade that 413 00:18:59,040 --> 00:18:57,520 because you can imagine the only way 414 00:19:02,160 --> 00:18:59,050 they can do it at the moment is via 415 00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:02,170 satellites and that's that's expensive 416 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:04,480 stuff it is but I guess bit by bit that 417 00:19:09,150 --> 00:19:06,610 would be exciting one day to have Paul 418 00:19:11,430 --> 00:19:09,160 Willis down there and we could join you 419 00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:11,440 virtually as you walk along finding 420 00:19:16,380 --> 00:19:13,360 fossils of pleasee azores or whatever 421 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:16,390 that's definitely a that that would be 422 00:19:22,590 --> 00:19:19,810 my first list on the priorities there 423 00:19:24,930 --> 00:19:22,600 mate would be a live interview with you 424 00:19:26,850 --> 00:19:24,940 from Antarctica are you up for that when 425 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:26,860 the technology catches up to us I'm up 426 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:28,450 for that them up for going there as well 427 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:31,690 have you during your expeditions down 428 00:19:35,660 --> 00:19:33,010 there and looking for fossils and 429 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:35,670 whatnot have you made short videos 430 00:19:42,170 --> 00:19:38,890 yourself look I made a couple of stories 431 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:42,180 for catalyst stir over the years and 432 00:19:47,490 --> 00:19:45,850 like some of them I was able to take a 433 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:47,500 producer with me and so there were two 434 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:49,570 of us actually doing it but the last 435 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:51,010 couple of stories I filed from 436 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:53,410 Antarctica I did the whole thing myself 437 00:19:58,680 --> 00:19:56,410 right and so you know that's quite a 438 00:20:00,990 --> 00:19:58,690 challenge particularly in the Antarctic 439 00:20:03,540 --> 00:20:01,000 to be able to film something that as 440 00:20:04,820 --> 00:20:03,550 you're actually trying to present it in 441 00:20:08,940 --> 00:20:04,830 front of the camera and what have you 442 00:20:11,100 --> 00:20:08,950 and this time down in Antarctica I will 443 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:11,110 be doing some filming for Australia 444 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:14,290 science channel excellus stories in mind 445 00:20:19,050 --> 00:20:17,170 that would sit very well on on 446 00:20:20,970 --> 00:20:19,060 Australia's science channel and so I'll 447 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:20,980 be whipping out the camera and getting 448 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:23,770 back in the harness and and trying to 449 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:25,570 earn my crust in front of the lens again 450 00:20:29,970 --> 00:20:27,730 that sounds good to me Paul just just 451 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:29,980 just to remind you you know that I do a 452 00:20:34,830 --> 00:20:32,410 video and film production and editing 453 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:34,840 really do you justice just to mention it 454 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:37,330 you know just just a new one in case in 455 00:20:41,460 --> 00:20:38,890 case you want to come in a lot along in 456 00:20:43,170 --> 00:20:41,470 the hand luggage and now that it hadn't 457 00:20:47,250 --> 00:20:43,180 occurred to me a ball that really had 458 00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:47,260 folks once again the website is RI aus 459 00:20:50,850 --> 00:20:49,840 dot TV please check it out Australians 460 00:20:52,290 --> 00:20:50,860 and people all around the world 461 00:20:54,150 --> 00:20:52,300 especially if you're in Australia of 462 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:54,160 course and if you have a science project 463 00:20:58,250 --> 00:20:56,410 if you're involved in science if you're 464 00:21:00,890 --> 00:20:58,260 in the regional areas especially 465 00:21:03,620 --> 00:21:00,900 maybe this channel can be something that 466 00:21:05,150 --> 00:21:03,630 can really help you out well Paul what a 467 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:05,160 delight to catch up with you once again 468 00:21:10,180 --> 00:21:07,410 I'm very yeah good to hear your voice to 469 00:21:12,830 --> 00:21:10,190 thank you Richard it's one of the 470 00:21:14,690 --> 00:21:12,840 downsides of being half a continent away 471 00:21:17,030 --> 00:21:14,700 so don't get to see you as much as I 472 00:21:18,590 --> 00:21:17,040 used to I mean we do we do get together 473 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:18,600 very occasionally we have a lot of fun 474 00:21:22,100 --> 00:21:20,490 and but I know that you're really 475 00:21:24,020 --> 00:21:22,110 enjoying living in that beautiful city 476 00:21:25,850 --> 00:21:24,030 of Adelaide well some people have a 477 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:25,860 tough for Willis but I'm glad you don't 478 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:29,970 anyway for now dr. Paul Willis thank you 479 00:21:50,650 --> 00:21:47,610 very much always a pleasure Richard mr. 480 00:21:54,230 --> 00:21:50,660 Katz Aragami jewelry pendants earrings 481 00:21:56,690 --> 00:21:54,240 and cufflinks all handmade by yours 482 00:21:59,120 --> 00:21:56,700 truly Richard Saunders and featuring 483 00:22:02,600 --> 00:21:59,130 many popular designs like origami 484 00:22:05,810 --> 00:22:02,610 Pegasus the flying pig you can find the 485 00:22:08,330 --> 00:22:05,820 store at facebook.com slash mr. Katz 486 00:22:20,350 --> 00:22:08,340 origami or by following the link at 487 00:22:26,140 --> 00:22:22,720 from the website of Australian skeptics 488 00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:26,150 Australian skeptics comte you published 489 00:22:30,610 --> 00:22:27,679 on the second of august written by tim 490 00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:30,620 mendham chiropractor charged with false 491 00:22:37,660 --> 00:22:32,809 advertising the Australian health care 492 00:22:39,820 --> 00:22:37,670 practitioner regulatory agency ahpra has 493 00:22:42,130 --> 00:22:39,830 charged a new south wales chiropractor 494 00:22:44,410 --> 00:22:42,140 with breaching advertising requirements 495 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:44,420 alleging his website advertised 496 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:47,210 chiropractic services in a way that was 497 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:49,970 likely to be false misleading or 498 00:22:55,450 --> 00:22:53,210 deceptive this follows the chiropractic 499 00:22:58,330 --> 00:22:55,460 Board of Australia's action against 500 00:23:00,880 --> 00:22:58,340 Victorian chiropractor Ian Ross pura who 501 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:00,890 was banned from treating children under 502 00:23:06,250 --> 00:23:03,410 two years old but in this case the 503 00:23:10,260 --> 00:23:06,260 chiropractor is unnamed and the charge 504 00:23:13,419 --> 00:23:10,270 is not listed in a statement aah p ra 505 00:23:16,060 --> 00:23:13,429 says that quote the charges were laid 506 00:23:18,430 --> 00:23:16,070 last week as this matter is now before 507 00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:18,440 the courts we are unable to comment 508 00:23:23,380 --> 00:23:20,960 further on this particular case end 509 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:23,390 quote this is in contrast to the ross 510 00:23:28,180 --> 00:23:25,610 perot case in which the chiropractor was 511 00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,190 named even when he was the subject of an 512 00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:30,320 investigation let alone when any 513 00:23:37,450 --> 00:23:34,240 findings were made against him ahpra CEO 514 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:37,460 Martin Fletcher said the agency took its 515 00:23:43,539 --> 00:23:40,730 role of promoting the public quote very 516 00:23:46,270 --> 00:23:43,549 seriously and quotable quote anyone 517 00:23:47,890 --> 00:23:46,280 advertising a regulated health service 518 00:23:50,830 --> 00:23:47,900 regardless of whether they are 519 00:23:53,130 --> 00:23:50,840 registered health practitioners or not 520 00:23:56,110 --> 00:23:53,140 must meet the requirements of the law 521 00:23:58,990 --> 00:23:56,120 patients and consumers have a right not 522 00:24:02,860 --> 00:23:59,000 to be misled by unclear or deceptive 523 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:02,870 advertising banquet as an aside oh boy 524 00:24:08,409 --> 00:24:04,490 this guy should visit the mind/body 525 00:24:11,650 --> 00:24:08,419 wallet one day good grief we read on CB 526 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:11,660 a chair dr. wayne Minter said it is 527 00:24:15,610 --> 00:24:13,730 important that patients are 528 00:24:17,740 --> 00:24:15,620 well-informed and understand the 529 00:24:20,500 --> 00:24:17,750 treatments recommended by their 530 00:24:23,250 --> 00:24:20,510 chiropractor as with treatments from all 531 00:24:25,539 --> 00:24:23,260 regulated health professionals quote 532 00:24:27,820 --> 00:24:25,549 chiropractors must practice in an 533 00:24:29,860 --> 00:24:27,830 evidence-based way and their advertising 534 00:24:32,409 --> 00:24:29,870 must not make false or misleading claims 535 00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:32,419 about treatments as a patient you have 536 00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:33,830 the right to underst 537 00:24:38,529 --> 00:24:36,320 and the potential risks or benefits 538 00:24:41,620 --> 00:24:38,539 about a treatment for your individual 539 00:24:44,259 --> 00:24:41,630 circumstances if you're not sure get a 540 00:24:45,940 --> 00:24:44,269 second opinion end quote and that comes 541 00:24:58,460 --> 00:24:45,950 to us from Australian skeptics that 542 00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:01,170 edinburgh the home of the Scottish 543 00:25:06,210 --> 00:25:03,520 enlightenment the city that produced 544 00:25:08,780 --> 00:25:06,220 skeptical luminaries as David Hume James 545 00:25:11,490 --> 00:25:08,790 Hutton Peter hates and Mary Somerville 546 00:25:13,410 --> 00:25:11,500 Edinburgh the afternoons of the north 547 00:25:15,540 --> 00:25:13,420 which were three hundred years has been 548 00:25:18,780 --> 00:25:15,550 at the forefront of science medicine and 549 00:25:20,940 --> 00:25:18,790 the arms Edinburgh home to insanely 550 00:25:23,370 --> 00:25:20,950 successful to discuss to us and wanted 551 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:23,380 pubs in August the city hosts the 552 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:25,810 world's biggest arts festival well the 553 00:25:28,620 --> 00:25:27,250 population seems to double on the 554 00:25:30,650 --> 00:25:28,630 streets are awash with one of the 555 00:25:32,910 --> 00:25:30,660 comedians all vying for her attention 556 00:25:34,860 --> 00:25:32,920 who in the right mind worked in the 557 00:25:37,290 --> 00:25:34,870 middle of all this train organised 23 558 00:25:40,530 --> 00:25:37,300 different three skeptical events across 559 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:40,540 23 consecutive nights animal skeptics 560 00:25:44,940 --> 00:25:43,210 that's who from saturday the six to 561 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:44,950 Sunday the twenty-sixth of August will 562 00:25:48,990 --> 00:25:47,050 be putting on different free talk every 563 00:25:51,570 --> 00:25:49,000 single night but in the Banshee 564 00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:51,580 labyrinth on the g street at 750 if 565 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:52,960 you're coming up to the city in august 566 00:25:56,820 --> 00:25:54,970 please check out our website Adam but a 567 00:25:58,850 --> 00:25:56,830 skeptic store called at UK for the full 568 00:26:15,950 --> 00:25:58,860 lineup and please come along and say hi 569 00:26:20,940 --> 00:26:18,350 in a recent episode of the ABC 570 00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:20,950 television's the check out which is a 571 00:26:26,580 --> 00:26:24,400 Consumer Affairs information show they 572 00:26:30,570 --> 00:26:26,590 really shall we say ripped into 573 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:30,580 pharmacies here in Australia who carry 574 00:26:37,050 --> 00:26:34,170 all sorts of nonsense like homeopathy 575 00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:37,060 now shortly I'll play a short clip from 576 00:26:42,270 --> 00:26:39,760 this story from the check out but i'll 577 00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:42,280 also include the in the show notes the 578 00:26:47,850 --> 00:26:45,070 link to the website of the check out or 579 00:26:49,950 --> 00:26:47,860 if you just google the check out ABC TV 580 00:26:51,660 --> 00:26:49,960 you'll find that website and i'm pleased 581 00:26:54,150 --> 00:26:51,670 to say that they put up a lot of their 582 00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:54,160 content on YouTube which you can see 583 00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:55,840 around the world and i'll certainly link 584 00:27:00,810 --> 00:26:58,480 to the video in question as well but it 585 00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:00,820 reminded me of a letter that i helped to 586 00:27:07,650 --> 00:27:03,310 write with the australian skeptics way 587 00:27:09,660 --> 00:27:07,660 back in 2011 i think it was which was an 588 00:27:12,690 --> 00:27:09,670 open letter to the pharmacist of 589 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:12,700 australia concerning the sale and 590 00:27:19,650 --> 00:27:16,090 promotion of ear candles now some years 591 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:19,660 ago I you read this this open letter out 592 00:27:23,490 --> 00:27:21,010 on the skeptic zone but I think it's 593 00:27:27,060 --> 00:27:23,500 time I think it's time I read it out 594 00:27:30,090 --> 00:27:27,070 again an open letter to the pharmacists 595 00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:30,100 of Australia Australians trust 596 00:27:36,780 --> 00:27:34,000 pharmacies and chemists as pharmacists 597 00:27:39,060 --> 00:27:36,790 you play an important role in the health 598 00:27:41,580 --> 00:27:39,070 care of the Australian public by 599 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:41,590 functioning as a conduit between doctors 600 00:27:47,490 --> 00:27:44,410 and prescription of Pharmacy drugs you 601 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:47,500 also have a respected role as a first 602 00:27:51,900 --> 00:27:49,810 resource for medical advice for many 603 00:27:54,690 --> 00:27:51,910 people in our community we are all 604 00:27:57,270 --> 00:27:54,700 familiar with the slogan ask your 605 00:28:00,120 --> 00:27:57,280 pharmacist when we asked our pharmacist 606 00:28:02,190 --> 00:28:00,130 what kind of answers do we want not 607 00:28:05,340 --> 00:28:02,200 quite products like ear candles that do 608 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:05,350 nothing except pose a hazard we now ask 609 00:28:09,630 --> 00:28:07,810 our australian pharmacist what standards 610 00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:09,640 do you set for yourselves you sell a 611 00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:11,920 growing number of products which there 612 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:14,950 is little or no scientific evidence of 613 00:28:18,860 --> 00:28:18,010 efficacy calling them quote alternative 614 00:28:21,650 --> 00:28:18,870 end quote 615 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:21,660 does not make them work examples include 616 00:28:27,290 --> 00:28:24,330 homeopathic preparations magnetic pain 617 00:28:30,380 --> 00:28:27,300 relief devices detox programs dodgy 618 00:28:33,530 --> 00:28:30,390 weight-loss products and ear candles 619 00:28:36,530 --> 00:28:33,540 such products commonly appear in the 620 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:36,540 natural medicine section of pharmacies 621 00:28:41,540 --> 00:28:38,970 but are sometimes displayed alongside 622 00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:41,550 real medicines whose benefits are 623 00:28:47,060 --> 00:28:44,580 scientifically proven ear candles are of 624 00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:47,070 particular concern there are reports of 625 00:28:52,220 --> 00:28:49,140 serious injuries from them including 626 00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:52,230 temporary hearing loss burns ear canals 627 00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:55,080 blocked by dripping wax punctured 628 00:29:01,400 --> 00:28:58,410 eardrum health canada has banned them in 629 00:29:03,380 --> 00:29:01,410 canada even the first professor of 630 00:29:05,570 --> 00:29:03,390 alternative and complementary medicine 631 00:29:07,910 --> 00:29:05,580 at exeter university it's art ernst 632 00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:07,920 called for them to be banned despite 633 00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,140 this many australian pharmacies are 634 00:29:15,169 --> 00:29:12,480 selling them what next will you start 635 00:29:17,090 --> 00:29:15,179 selling cigarettes like supermarkets who 636 00:29:19,220 --> 00:29:17,100 you do not want to be allowed to sell 637 00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:19,230 pharmaceuticals because they do not have 638 00:29:24,169 --> 00:29:21,510 qualified staff what standards do you 639 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:24,179 set for yourself and your staff we see a 640 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:27,050 growing trend for so-called quote 641 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:29,610 practitioners end quote with little or 642 00:29:34,790 --> 00:29:31,890 no scientific training being brought in 643 00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:34,800 as quote consultants and quote including 644 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:38,100 iridology homeopaths and naturopath 645 00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:40,890 iridology is a discredited way of 646 00:29:45,650 --> 00:29:43,710 diagnosing the dysfunction of internal 647 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:45,660 organs via the markings on the iris 648 00:29:49,580 --> 00:29:47,730 there is no evidence that it works but 649 00:29:51,980 --> 00:29:49,590 some pharmacies promote the fact that 650 00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:51,990 their customers can get quote readings 651 00:29:58,340 --> 00:29:55,440 and quote in their stores your customers 652 00:30:00,260 --> 00:29:58,350 rely on you and anyone in a professional 653 00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:00,270 capacity within your store to provide 654 00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:03,809 sound medical advice and products we 655 00:30:07,460 --> 00:30:05,910 fear that in some cases what they are 656 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:07,470 receiving amounts to little more than 657 00:30:12,980 --> 00:30:10,290 magical sugar pills and spurious health 658 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:12,990 advice pharmacies need to make a profit 659 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:15,450 but that should not be done through 660 00:30:20,390 --> 00:30:18,330 quack products and bad advice to regain 661 00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:20,400 the status of pharmacy should have a 662 00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:23,340 place to get sound advice and effective 663 00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,440 medicine supported by scientific and 664 00:30:29,780 --> 00:30:27,600 clinical evidence we implore our 665 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:29,790 pharmacists to stick to worthy products 666 00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,810 sold by knowledgeable 667 00:30:35,910 --> 00:30:34,240 staff and that was an open letter 668 00:30:40,020 --> 00:30:35,920 produced by the Australian skeptics way 669 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:40,030 back in 2011 and just as an aside I 670 00:30:43,250 --> 00:30:41,650 happen to be in a pharmacist only a 671 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:43,260 couple of days ago to get some 672 00:30:51,380 --> 00:30:47,010 medication and there on the Shelf were 673 00:30:53,970 --> 00:30:51,390 ear candles so they are still being sold 674 00:30:55,770 --> 00:30:53,980 and that's why pharmacies only stock 675 00:30:59,130 --> 00:30:55,780 products with proven clinical outcomes 676 00:31:00,840 --> 00:30:59,140 like brouwer's homeopathic snoring hang 677 00:31:04,740 --> 00:31:00,850 on and we already done a story on 678 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:04,750 homeopathy being [\h__\h] ah no I don't 679 00:31:10,050 --> 00:31:07,930 think we did oh good as I was saying a 680 00:31:12,810 --> 00:31:10,060 genuine effective medicine like there's 681 00:31:14,460 --> 00:31:12,820 something but the reason we didn't do 682 00:31:17,130 --> 00:31:14,470 one is because homeopathy is so 683 00:31:18,180 --> 00:31:17,140 transparently bogus and debunked that we 684 00:31:21,030 --> 00:31:18,190 didn't think there was any point 685 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:21,040 explaining that to people okay well a 686 00:31:24,810 --> 00:31:22,930 genuine medicine like this liquid 687 00:31:28,410 --> 00:31:24,820 chlorophyll extract which no no no no 688 00:31:29,910 --> 00:31:28,420 look I'll just come down there okay if 689 00:31:31,890 --> 00:31:29,920 you're looking for treatment supported 690 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:31,900 by current and accepted evidence you can 691 00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:33,850 forget about chlorophyll we've done that 692 00:31:38,490 --> 00:31:35,860 you can forget these weight loss 693 00:31:41,130 --> 00:31:38,500 vitamins you can forget superfoods you 694 00:31:43,740 --> 00:31:41,140 can forget targeted painkillers and you 695 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:43,750 can forget this cough syrup the point is 696 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:45,850 pharmacies have shelves full of 697 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:47,530 complementary medicines and for the vast 698 00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:49,330 majority of them evidence of their 699 00:31:53,820 --> 00:31:52,240 effectiveness is very slim indeed ah but 700 00:31:57,900 --> 00:31:53,830 is it slim because of this coconut and 701 00:31:59,370 --> 00:31:57,910 lemon detox we've done Detox's too so 702 00:32:00,990 --> 00:31:59,380 even though you have to go to a 703 00:32:03,090 --> 00:32:01,000 pharmacist for access to medicines that 704 00:32:04,830 --> 00:32:03,100 have proven to be effective that doesn't 705 00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:04,840 mean that everything you get from a 706 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:07,630 pharmacist is going to be effective big 707 00:32:11,370 --> 00:32:09,610 chains have increased competition and 708 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:11,380 because Australian law forbids the 709 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:12,970 direct marketing of prescription 710 00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:15,370 medicine which is good pharmacies end up 711 00:32:19,770 --> 00:32:16,960 pushing complementary medicines that 712 00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:19,780 much harder try helping care original 713 00:32:24,210 --> 00:32:22,240 lung detox from chemist warehouse to the 714 00:32:26,550 --> 00:32:24,220 point that some even have in store 715 00:32:28,590 --> 00:32:26,560 natural cups which is bad that's just a 716 00:32:30,330 --> 00:32:28,600 hippie actually naturopaths can look 717 00:32:32,970 --> 00:32:30,340 just like any other pharmacy worker 718 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:32,980 sorry can I go back to the office now 719 00:32:42,250 --> 00:32:39,640 cuts off to the checkout television 720 00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:42,260 program here in Australia reminding us 721 00:33:03,640 --> 00:32:44,240 that these things are still being sold 722 00:33:07,870 --> 00:33:03,650 in pharmacies across the country hey 723 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:07,880 Richard oh hi Trisha Wow would you like 724 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:09,650 a coffee yeah thanks what you're working 725 00:33:13,930 --> 00:33:11,570 on I'm trying to come up with a new 726 00:33:16,750 --> 00:33:13,940 promo to play on the skeptic zone who's 727 00:33:19,180 --> 00:33:16,760 it for the good thinking society in the 728 00:33:21,490 --> 00:33:19,190 UK you know Michael Marshall Simon Singh 729 00:33:23,290 --> 00:33:21,500 laura thomas and background oh yeah i 730 00:33:25,770 --> 00:33:23,300 know them they've been doing some great 731 00:33:28,690 --> 00:33:25,780 work investigating veterinary homeopathy 732 00:33:31,150 --> 00:33:28,700 vetri homeopathy what you sugarpill this 733 00:33:32,410 --> 00:33:31,160 for cows I know right and also they're 734 00:33:35,230 --> 00:33:32,420 looking at some of the dodgy medical 735 00:33:36,850 --> 00:33:35,240 advice given by UK chiropractors really 736 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:36,860 okay look I'll mention all that in the 737 00:33:44,530 --> 00:33:40,610 promo now their website is good thinking 738 00:33:46,210 --> 00:33:44,540 society org and they've recently been 739 00:33:48,820 --> 00:33:46,220 reporting on the resurgence of faith 740 00:33:50,380 --> 00:33:48,830 healer peter Popoff you know right okay 741 00:34:08,040 --> 00:33:50,390 look thanks to that it gives me 742 00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:10,570 hello it's a Sydney skeptics in the pub 743 00:34:15,550 --> 00:34:13,310 as normal first thursday of the month 744 00:34:18,190 --> 00:34:15,560 here at the crown hotel and tonight's 745 00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:18,200 question sent in by a listener this is 746 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:21,520 pretty good sent in by listener is how 747 00:34:25,540 --> 00:34:24,050 long and the in brysi achievement list 748 00:34:27,460 --> 00:34:25,550 together heat I know he'll have an 749 00:34:29,889 --> 00:34:27,470 answer for this how long should you keep 750 00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:29,899 hammering away at somebody say with the 751 00:34:35,980 --> 00:34:32,800 conspiracy theory before you give up 752 00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,990 okay well my first instinct to that is 753 00:34:39,579 --> 00:34:37,760 that if they're not even interested in 754 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:39,589 having a discussion with you if they're 755 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:41,210 fully decided I don't think there's any 756 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:43,010 point in trying if they don't know each 757 00:34:47,530 --> 00:34:45,290 soon having it back and forth of having 758 00:34:48,909 --> 00:34:47,540 a dialogue and if maybe questioning some 759 00:34:50,020 --> 00:34:48,919 of their ideas and you've got to be you 760 00:34:52,540 --> 00:34:50,030 know willing to look at their evidence 761 00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:52,550 too but if that's not there if that I 762 00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:56,000 guess sense of water roller interest 763 00:34:59,890 --> 00:34:58,970 sense of willing to inquire if they 764 00:35:02,650 --> 00:34:59,900 don't have that I don't think you should 765 00:35:04,690 --> 00:35:02,660 bother so you you would be pretty short 766 00:35:06,430 --> 00:35:04,700 with them I met what I mean by that is 767 00:35:08,290 --> 00:35:06,440 you wouldn't waste too much time on not 768 00:35:10,359 --> 00:35:08,300 too much I've unless it's fun if it's 769 00:35:13,450 --> 00:35:10,369 just fun spend as long as you like as 770 00:35:16,930 --> 00:35:13,460 long as it's still fun good answer Ian 771 00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:16,940 Bryce so the question is how long do you 772 00:35:20,650 --> 00:35:19,040 engage with somebody I conspiracy 773 00:35:22,210 --> 00:35:20,660 theorist for example or somebody who 774 00:35:24,370 --> 00:35:22,220 believes in zero point energy or 775 00:35:26,859 --> 00:35:24,380 whatever you deal with before you just 776 00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:26,869 have to walk away yes I'm not sure 777 00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:28,880 there's a logical answer Richard but i 778 00:35:33,820 --> 00:35:31,280 find it up to two email exchanges I just 779 00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:33,830 lose interest and stop replying to them 780 00:35:39,620 --> 00:35:37,740 usually cause it usually by that time 781 00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,630 I've shown whether they're listening to 782 00:35:42,770 --> 00:35:41,760 what you're telling them or reading the 783 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:42,780 emails or whether they're just 784 00:35:46,820 --> 00:35:44,730 continuing with their standard line so 785 00:35:48,430 --> 00:35:46,830 you've got a bit of feedback then so if 786 00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:48,440 you're not making any dental and then my 787 00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:50,940 human nature says it's not worth the 788 00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:53,520 effort and you you have such 789 00:35:56,810 --> 00:35:55,380 correspondence with people as I was 790 00:36:00,440 --> 00:35:56,820 saying before who really believe that 791 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:00,450 they've discovered or been let in on the 792 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:03,570 secret of free energy yes indeed I've 793 00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:06,090 spoken to many people like that some of 794 00:36:09,170 --> 00:36:07,920 them who really believe it and some of 795 00:36:10,490 --> 00:36:09,180 them who were clearly charlatans who 796 00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:10,500 didn't believe it from the start but 797 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:12,180 they found that it is free money for 798 00:36:17,060 --> 00:36:14,850 them said how do you tell the difference 799 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:17,070 between the charlatan and somebody who's 800 00:36:22,190 --> 00:36:19,770 a true believer well the true believer 801 00:36:25,210 --> 00:36:22,200 will usually be happy to happy to talk 802 00:36:28,070 --> 00:36:25,220 to you without thinking in advance 803 00:36:29,660 --> 00:36:28,080 because then they're not deceptive 804 00:36:33,170 --> 00:36:29,670 they're giving you a free exchange of 805 00:36:36,050 --> 00:36:33,180 information but but one applicant we had 806 00:36:37,580 --> 00:36:36,060 for the challenge it was very guarded in 807 00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:37,590 his responses and it was clear that he 808 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:40,710 was thinking thinking in detail before 809 00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,250 answering and his emails became very 810 00:36:48,380 --> 00:36:46,320 short so that was someone we didn't 811 00:36:50,090 --> 00:36:48,390 trust and we were able to exclude them 812 00:36:51,950 --> 00:36:50,100 for the challenge it's a good point 813 00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:51,960 because in my various dealings of the 814 00:36:55,250 --> 00:36:53,640 mind-body wallet festivals when I've 815 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:55,260 been talking to people behind the stands 816 00:37:00,160 --> 00:36:57,090 there are two types of people they're 817 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:00,170 the true believers in the charlatans and 818 00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:02,730 most of the time people will bend my ear 819 00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:04,800 talk to me for a long time trying to 820 00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:06,660 convince me but sometimes people are 821 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:08,160 very quick and want to get rid of me so 822 00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:10,770 I can sort of draw a certain conclusion 823 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:12,660 from that I think yes indeed that that 824 00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:14,850 could illustrate the same type of people 825 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:17,760 those who have already they know it's a 826 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:19,650 scam but that's good for money anyway 827 00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:21,450 and they want to continue and they know 828 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:23,250 that they they're never going to 829 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:24,570 convince you and they don't want to 830 00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,770 convince you they want to get rid of you 831 00:37:29,570 --> 00:37:27,119 because you they're cramping your style 832 00:37:32,540 --> 00:37:29,580 and those who 833 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:32,550 who might just believe that through not 834 00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,690 having thought it through and not having 835 00:37:38,570 --> 00:37:35,280 seen any evidence who are willing to 836 00:37:41,180 --> 00:37:38,580 talk and at the moment we are not to let 837 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:41,190 out too much not let the cat out of the 838 00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:42,450 bag too much we're investigating 839 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:44,910 something at the moment which is to do 840 00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:49,410 with Wi-Fi radiation promising yes 841 00:37:53,570 --> 00:37:51,510 indeed that's sounds a bit to me like 842 00:37:57,050 --> 00:37:53,580 wind turbine syndrome I think that one's 843 00:37:58,880 --> 00:37:57,060 been good to rest with Wi-Fi radiation 844 00:38:01,070 --> 00:37:58,890 is certainly an interesting topic and 845 00:38:02,510 --> 00:38:01,080 it's acceptable to science there's lots 846 00:38:05,060 --> 00:38:02,520 of science and biology and engineering 847 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:05,070 but that can be brought to bear our 848 00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:07,530 medical so I look forward to that one it 849 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:09,510 will be an interesting are you worried 850 00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:12,450 about Wi-Fi irradiation no but I am 851 00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:15,470 worried about if a person is unwell and 852 00:38:20,270 --> 00:38:18,540 they think they have Wi-Fi radiation 853 00:38:22,220 --> 00:38:20,280 syndrome whatever it's called and then 854 00:38:25,250 --> 00:38:22,230 if they if that stops them from going to 855 00:38:27,290 --> 00:38:25,260 seek help from a real doctor or you know 856 00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:27,300 whoever the relevant specialist is 857 00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:31,200 that's what concerns me good answer well 858 00:38:34,250 --> 00:38:32,730 folks all your dinners arrived and I've 859 00:38:36,980 --> 00:38:34,260 better let you get on with that thank 860 00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:36,990 you very much and it's the voice you 861 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:38,760 know so well from the little ad we do 862 00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:40,410 for the good thinking society Trish 863 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:43,500 hello Trish hey hello great to see you 864 00:38:48,140 --> 00:38:44,730 here at skeptics in the pub tonight's 865 00:38:49,850 --> 00:38:48,150 question if you were engaging in a 866 00:38:52,850 --> 00:38:49,860 conversation or a debate with somebody a 867 00:38:55,700 --> 00:38:52,860 conspiracy theorist for example how long 868 00:38:59,780 --> 00:38:55,710 do you think it's worth while keeping it 869 00:39:01,750 --> 00:38:59,790 going before and basically stopped and 870 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:01,760 decide is no longer worth your effort 871 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:05,490 depends usually until I'm personally 872 00:39:10,610 --> 00:39:08,970 offended which happens a lot I've had 873 00:39:12,980 --> 00:39:10,620 some nasty conversations with people 874 00:39:14,990 --> 00:39:12,990 recently where you think like know what 875 00:39:16,940 --> 00:39:15,000 you've said there is actually it's a 876 00:39:18,830 --> 00:39:16,950 something suspected be personally and 877 00:39:20,780 --> 00:39:18,840 I'm not willing to get into a debate 878 00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,790 about it like just that with their 879 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:22,320 conspiracy theories or something yeah 880 00:39:25,460 --> 00:39:23,970 yeah so like I don't mind what people 881 00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:25,470 talk about things like you know Roswell 882 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:27,900 and that kind of stuff because that's 883 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:29,450 non-personal to me but 884 00:39:34,839 --> 00:39:32,690 so usually get on to you know crisis 885 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:34,849 actors and that kind of thing and that 886 00:39:38,740 --> 00:39:36,770 makes me very upset so I'm not willing 887 00:39:41,230 --> 00:39:38,750 to debate but I'll debate about aliens 888 00:39:43,660 --> 00:39:41,240 for hours happily for hours because I 889 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:43,670 find it really interesting kind of the 890 00:39:50,140 --> 00:39:45,650 the mental hoops that people will jump 891 00:39:51,579 --> 00:39:50,150 through you know and again like I think 892 00:39:53,770 --> 00:39:51,589 it's more fun to talk to someone who 893 00:39:55,540 --> 00:39:53,780 genuinely believes it with someone who 894 00:39:56,620 --> 00:39:55,550 just is doing it for a laugh as well so 895 00:39:59,890 --> 00:39:56,630 I like to hear what people actually 896 00:40:02,950 --> 00:39:59,900 think and and how often do you find 897 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:02,960 people get really short with you I mean 898 00:40:07,930 --> 00:40:05,450 not just insulting but just decide that 899 00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,940 you're not worth their effort I see I 900 00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:10,160 tend to listen for the majority of the 901 00:40:15,460 --> 00:40:13,609 conversation so some people will hear an 902 00:40:16,839 --> 00:40:15,470 argument and then robot that argument 903 00:40:19,150 --> 00:40:16,849 and hear another argument and rebuttal 904 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:19,160 argument I won't really do that because 905 00:40:23,620 --> 00:40:21,290 I like to listen to someone tie 906 00:40:25,089 --> 00:40:23,630 themselves up in knots I quite like that 907 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:25,099 because often a conspiracy theorists 908 00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:27,170 will contradict themselves several times 909 00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:29,270 in the matter of only a few sentences 910 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:31,369 and I quite like that because all you 911 00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:32,690 have to do is listen and it's the whole 912 00:40:36,849 --> 00:40:35,119 thing I give someone enough rope it's a 913 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:36,859 good point and often they're making 914 00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:39,410 things up on the fly which which to them 915 00:40:43,569 --> 00:40:41,510 fits their worldview but they're making 916 00:40:45,250 --> 00:40:43,579 making things up that's my experience 917 00:40:47,410 --> 00:40:45,260 anyway yeah absolutely like they'll have 918 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:47,420 a seed of an idea but they won't 919 00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:51,050 necessarily have thought it through so 920 00:40:55,329 --> 00:40:52,609 yeah I will tend to give people more 921 00:41:10,960 --> 00:40:55,339 time than I probably should good answer 922 00:41:17,180 --> 00:41:13,540 Australian skeptics National Convention 923 00:41:19,940 --> 00:41:17,190 2016 will be hosted in Melbourne at the 924 00:41:22,610 --> 00:41:19,950 university of melbourne from the 25th to 925 00:41:24,530 --> 00:41:22,620 the 27th of november with the annual 926 00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:24,540 dinner being held at melbourne zoo on 927 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:27,240 the evening of the 26th of November 928 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:31,650 early bird ticket sales are online at 929 00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:34,730 the convention website convention 930 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:38,280 skeptics comdata you and if you get an 931 00:41:42,350 --> 00:41:40,170 early bird ticket you'll receive a 932 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:42,360 discount and be able to reserve seats 933 00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:46,290 close to the stage we can confirm that 934 00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:48,180 speakers for the convention will include 935 00:41:55,580 --> 00:41:51,660 Lawrence Krauss Ed's odd Ernst Harriet 936 00:41:58,250 --> 00:41:55,590 Hall Michael Marshall Katie Mac and Mel 937 00:42:02,810 --> 00:41:58,260 Thompson with many more great speakers 938 00:42:04,990 --> 00:42:02,820 to be announced soon nicholas j johnson 939 00:42:07,490 --> 00:42:05,000 is our emcee for the annual dinner 940 00:42:10,460 --> 00:42:07,500 information about our speakers is 941 00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:10,470 available from the convention website so 942 00:42:27,860 --> 00:42:13,980 that's convention got skeptics calm got 943 00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:30,330 thank you for listening to the skeptic 944 00:42:34,860 --> 00:42:32,020 zone and thank you once again to those 945 00:42:37,580 --> 00:42:34,870 wonderful people those wonderful people 946 00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:37,590 who contribute to the skeptic zone 947 00:42:45,090 --> 00:42:41,920 directly through being a patron patreon 948 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:45,100 or simply chip in via micro payments on 949 00:42:50,670 --> 00:42:46,930 paypal and you can check out skeptic 950 00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:50,680 zone TV to see how you two you two can 951 00:42:56,310 --> 00:42:53,680 do that and keep the skeptic zone going 952 00:42:59,580 --> 00:42:56,320 so if you if you think the skeptic zone 953 00:43:00,990 --> 00:42:59,590 the pleasure and enjoyment and interest 954 00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:01,000 you get out of the skeptic zone is worth 955 00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:03,910 a dollar or two a week and you might 956 00:43:07,890 --> 00:43:06,640 consider doing that and all of us here 957 00:43:10,950 --> 00:43:07,900 at the skeptic zone would be very 958 00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:10,960 grateful coming up next week reports 959 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:14,350 from skeptic camp brisbane our reporter 960 00:43:19,530 --> 00:43:16,810 highly robertson was on the spot on the 961 00:43:22,020 --> 00:43:19,540 scene in action with her microphone and 962 00:43:24,540 --> 00:43:22,030 by the way that microphone was bought 963 00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:24,550 with funds sent in by listeners so thank 964 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:26,770 you very much with a microphone getting 965 00:43:31,170 --> 00:43:28,770 interviews from skeptic camp at brisbane 966 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:31,180 can't wait to hear those myself actually 967 00:43:35,730 --> 00:43:33,490 and I think our reporters Cassandra 968 00:43:38,430 --> 00:43:35,740 Perriman was there as well I don't know 969 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:38,440 if she did anything but I noticed on the 970 00:43:45,210 --> 00:43:41,770 web pages that so photographs she was 971 00:43:48,210 --> 00:43:45,220 there and I hope to have news obvious 972 00:43:51,630 --> 00:43:48,220 another new team member for the skeptic 973 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:51,640 zone pretty soon pretty soon we're in 974 00:43:55,950 --> 00:43:53,890 negotiations we're working on it we're 975 00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:55,960 looking at the possibilities but that's 976 00:44:00,900 --> 00:43:57,850 pretty exciting so stay tuned for that 977 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:00,910 and just before I go yes Henrietta and 978 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:05,050 more the skeptic zone cats are almost 979 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:07,450 too big to fit in their little box that 980 00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:10,570 we have we have little plastic boxes up 981 00:44:16,740 --> 00:44:13,630 on there on top of the set of drawers in 982 00:44:20,340 --> 00:44:16,750 the studio here a little sort of perspex 983 00:44:22,050 --> 00:44:20,350 is a and they look each climb in one and 984 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:22,060 snooze up there but they're always 985 00:44:26,490 --> 00:44:23,530 getting too big for those I'm a bit 986 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:26,500 worried hmm anyway for this week this is 987 00:44:33,269 --> 00:44:29,050 Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney 988 00:44:39,460 --> 00:44:35,680 you've been listening to the skeptics 989 00:44:42,370 --> 00:44:39,470 own podcast visit our website at wwc a 990 00:44:45,789 --> 00:44:42,380 petting zoo TV for contacts and archive 991 00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:45,799 of all episodes since 2008 and our 992 00:44:50,430 --> 00:44:48,529 online store please support the skeptic 993 00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:50,440 zone by following us on twitter at 994 00:44:57,220 --> 00:44:53,599 skeptic zone liking us on facebook and 995 00:44:59,410 --> 00:44:57,230 leaving a review on iTunes you can also 996 00:45:02,579 --> 00:44:59,420 show your support by subscribing via 997 00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:02,589 paypal for as little 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